1969 Jag Series 2, 4.2l Rebuild Story


(Paul Wigton) #724

I bet @69Cat will like it!!!


(Steve) #725

Anyone have experience with this intersection of panels? I’m trying to remove the remainder of the patch job and original outer sill. I’ve melted out the lead and ground out the skip welds, but unclear what is part of the wing edge wrapped over the out sill.


(Paul Wigton) #726

By the way: am sending you ALL my leading tools, too!


(Jag Jeff) #727

The piece you have bent at the front, the lower piece space welded at the seam and the curve on the rear is all sill. There is a rear sill closing panel that is attached to the curved part of the sill and to the inner sill. It all comes off. You can leave the rear closing panel on.

Clear as mud, huh? See Lloyd waving his arms for further detail.


#728

I used the replacement parts I got from Chuck at Monocoque as a guide to what went where. The spot welded junction in center of your last picture requires expertise in origami to reconstruct.


(Erica Moss) #729

Where the sill meets the side scuttle? Is that a lap joint or a butt joint? It seems like the hardest part would be the surgery to remove the old sill remnants.


#730

The rocker panel has a lip/edge that fits under the side panel lip/edge, latching on to it, sort of like clasped hands. Easy at the factory - just install rocker, then add the side on top of it. Not so easy if the side is in place.

Removing did require surgery - amputation rather than plastic/reconstructive. Then I just spot welded, banged the whole thing in a couple of mm’s and plastered over it. LTS (Life Too short) to make it more “original”.


(Paul Wigton) #731

A mensch after my own heart!!

Why I replaced a “window” of my one rocker pabel, using aerospace-grade glue, for the upper, joddled join.


(Steve) #732

Anyone familiar with this intersection? I’m looking at the details of the inner sill and am unclear what is part of what at the corner in the photos. Is the front strut lower outer mount plate part of the inner sill, stand alone part, or what?
Does anybody have photos of “new” inner sills, full floors, mounting plate, before installation?
I have been provided the outer sill, floor footwells, and strips of metal to “repair” the inner sill from Chuck (monocoque) but looking at the floor around where the footwell goes, it’s rusted away so maybe just ordering a FULL floor would be better? Also, wondering if replacing the inner sill instead of repairing would be easier.
I am going to attempt to “repair” it and use that as a practice for learning the welding technique. But we’ll see which way I go after I see the results.


(Paul Wigton) #733

I think this all covered on Bill McKenna’s website, plus boatloads of pix on CJ’s website.

Frankly, I think you’d be better off with a full floor replacement.


(David Langley) #734

Steve,

The lower subframe mounting brackets were originally part of the floor assembly which included the inner sills. The mounting bracket is actually made up of two vertical right-angle brackets with the inner sill sandwiched between them. Now you can purchase separate panels for the floor and inner sills. The diagram in the XK’s Unlimited catalog appears to show that the outer 1/2 of the mount comes attached to their replacement inner sill, whereas the inner 1/2 does not. However, it also shows that the 2 halves of the mount have to ordered together, which seems a little odd. Here’s a somewhat fuzzy photo of the area on my car after the sill closing panel was removed.

-David


(Jag Jeff) #735

Here is a shot from the inside with my car on the rotisserie at 90%. You can see how the mount is orientatedfloorpan%20in


(Steve) #736

I’m trying to repair the lower section of my picture frame. I am aware I can purchase a new complete one for ~$350 but I would like to retain the original (with chassis# stamp). So far I have straightened the front flange from former jacking damage, but the rear flange and web are bent and I need advice on how to best straighten this area. I don’t believe it causes any structural issues, but it is unpleasant to the eye!

Is this part brazed or, as appears in the photo of the replacement part, just spot welded?

If just spot welded, could I not cut the part of the bottom box plate off in order to reach the top bent plate in an effort to pound it back straight, then weld the lower box plate back on? Or can I drill a hole in the lower box plate, to give me access to the top that I could use a punch to hammer thru the hole and attempt straightening the bent areas?
ANYBODY TRIED THIS BEFORE?
-Steve


(Paul Wigton) #737

Weeeelll… since this is easily weldable mild steel, and you enjoy doing such, knock yerself out!

My only concern would to be make sure your cross dimensions remain as stock.

Then, when it is all purdy, again, have Walker make and shellac a gorgeous hunka walnut or other hardwood, to jack upon!!

:grimacing:


(Steve) #738

Oooh, that’s excellent news! And I’m pretty good at woodworking… as opposed to my rookie status at welding…


(69 FHC ) #739

It can be done.
Before

After

The spot welds that hold the inner piece in place were broken and pushed into the outer piece. I was able to grab the edge with vice grips and pull it flush with the edge of the outer bottom member which I straightened with a hammer and a piece of I-beam for an anvil.

I spot and tack welded inner and outer pieces at the edge and then reinforced the whole thing with two pieces of angle and a flat to make a channel. You can jack up the front end under the picture frame with no fear of anything being bent.

This will give you an idea of the reinforcement. The picture was taken before I finished cleaning the part for refinishing.


(Steve) #740

This is good info… I may I.M. you directly if I have questions.


(69 FHC ) #741

Sure. But if you ask in the forum you might get other answers , many of which will probably be better than mine.


(67 OTS mailed check Patron) #742

Don’t worry about the ID number. Efabs will stamp your original number into the new picture frame if you can provide documents proving ownership - title?! Pictures show the condition of my picture frame after a “body shop” used it for a lifting point and a HD suspension sort of pulled it apart.

PB292538|666x500


(jim neel) #743

Steve. I have a new pic frame that came with my frame rail set I am not going to use and you may have it if you want. It has no numbers stamped and I have a number stamp set but they are the wrong size. I suspect most machine shops have the stamp set you would need. You could even cut the welds on the top pieces and put them together. I think a lot of work for not much gain. In any case you may have it , let me know. I love seeing your enthusiasm and how you are not afraid to tackle what can appear to be overwhelming jobs.
Cheers Jim